Episode 75
The Role of Industry Associations in the Energy Transition, with Artem Kotenev from EAGE
Today, we're looking into how industry associations like the European Association for Geoscientists and Engineers (EAGE) can play an important role in connecting the dots in the complex world of energy.
I had a chat with Artem Kotenev, the president of the Oslo chapter of EAGE, who shares his insights on how EAGE is stepping up to bridge gaps between traditional oil and gas expertise and the growing field of renewable energy.
We explore the exciting developments at EAGE, including new courses and conferences aimed at helping members adapt to this rapidly changing landscape.
Links referenced in this episode:
- eage.org
- Connect with Artem on LinkedIn
- EAGE Oslo Chapter on LinkedIn
- storiesforthefuture.com
Transcript
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Speaker B:Welcome to Stories for the Future, a podcast bringing excitement and optimism for what's ahead.
Speaker B:In this season, we're exploring the energy transition, breaking down walls and bringing people together.
Speaker B:We're going to chat with all sorts of people, from veterans from the oil and gas sector to passionate climate innovators.
Speaker B:I'm Wesley Maiklavnes Barge, your guide on this journey and as I like to say, we'll try on different shoes with the aim to understand more and judge less.
Speaker B:Let's begin.
Speaker B:So did you notice the new introduction?
Speaker B:This is my small attempt to rearrange the house a little bit, so I tried to make it a bit shorter.
Speaker B:I'm not sure I succeeded, but I.
Speaker C:Hope you like it.
Speaker B:So for today's episode, for those of you who have followed this season from the start, you will probably have noticed that I have mentioned one organization a number of times.
Speaker B:I even started the season at their annual conference and it has come up again and again.
Speaker B:This organization is the European association for Geoscientists and Engineers, EAGE for short.
Speaker B:You might have gotten the feeling that I'm quite fond of this organization, and I think you're right.
Speaker B:I have thought about why this is and come to the conclusion that it has most to do with my own experiences attached to it.
Speaker B:You know that summer camp you go back to year after year, so I just have a lot of good experiences from it.
Speaker B:But it's also because I have so high thoughts about the potential of organizations like this one to play a very important role in the bridge building and bubble bursting that I'm talking about in this season.
Speaker B:I think the potential is still untapped and that is why I'm continuing to knock on their door and let them know that I think they can be a game changer when it comes to getting people with different perspectives on the energy transition to have better conversations.
Speaker B:Today, I'm so happy to get to share with you a conversation I had with the president of the Oslo chapter of eage, Artem Kutenev.
Speaker B:In addition to his work with eig, Artem is a geoscientist with lots of experience from within the industry.
Speaker B:I wanted to learn more about what EIG can offer professionals right in the middle of the energy transition.
Speaker B:What has changed since I used to attend these conferences and courses myself and also his personal take on the next coming decades working in the energy sector.
Speaker C:We are continuing the quest of trying.
Speaker B:Out as many different angles and perspectives as possible, and today we're trying out a pair of shoes I personally can recognize and that feel very familiar.
Speaker B:My hope is that you can listen to all these conversations with a mindset of an explorer.
Speaker B:In order to map out the best route, it's important to understand the landscape.
Speaker B:So let's go explore another angle.
Speaker B:I hope you enjoy this episode.
Speaker C:Welcome so much to the podcast.
Speaker C:Artem, you are joining me from Oslo, where you're based, right?
Speaker A:Hello.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes, I'm based in Oslo and thank you very much for the invite, so very much appreciate that, thank you.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker C:I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker C:And so besides your work as a geoscientist, you are the president of the Oslo chapter of eage and that stands for the European association for Geoscientists and Engineers.
Speaker C:I totally understand why we normally use the short version.
Speaker C:It's a long, long sentence.
Speaker C:And this organization I have been talking about before on this podcast and I actually did this special episode directly from the EAG annual conference in Oslo last June.
Speaker C:So the topic that we will mostly focus on today is how an organization like EAGE can play a role in the energy transition and supporting its members, of course, but also maybe in my head at least, serving as a kind of a communication link between the energy industry and the general public.
Speaker C:So to start with, could you just share a little bit about EIG and how the organization also has played a role in your own career?
Speaker A:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah, thanks for.
Speaker A:Nice question.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And yeah, so I had a pleasure of being together with EAG for quite a while now, so I would say probably in the last 12 years, and it actually opened up quite some venues for me to explore and to develop me as a professional and as an individual as well.
Speaker A:And talking about the topic you just mentioned, I had a pleasure of listening to your podcast about when you have interviewed some of the people at the AG Annual here in Oslo.
Speaker A:And it was a very insightful session.
Speaker A:So very interesting people you talked to.
Speaker A:And it was at the exhibition, so very good exposure.
Speaker A:So for myself personally, EAG as an organization as a whole played a key role because it gave me a chance to talk to various people at various levels, geoscientists, engineers, managers, etc.
Speaker A:And it also gave me a chance to really learn about the new things about know how and new developments in the industry.
Speaker A:And now as we talk more about the energy transition, so it really kind of developed into a new big thing.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And so again, I have attended the AG Annual in Oslo myself and I was really impressed by the share of the presentations and the topics devoted to that.
Speaker A:So to my mind it was probably around 60, 70% of the whole number of the presentations that really were linked to the Global Energy Transition.
Speaker A:Yeah, so that was basically something that I could take.
Speaker A:Take away from the conference and really to explore even further.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's very uplifting to hear because I, I shared with you before that when I was, when I was there at a conference I didn't have access to the, to you know, the, the talks like the, the whole conference.
Speaker C:I was just in the exhibition and for me it looked quite similar to when I was there back in.
Speaker C:I can't remember when the last time was.
Speaker C: Maybe: Speaker C:Yeah, 10 years ago, you know, so.
Speaker C:But I, I'm really happy to hear that there's so much focus on that and I just actually saw, just before we started now, I saw the video from the conference, like the, like a shortened six minute video and I saw there, there was a lot of focus on sustainability, energy transition, etc.
Speaker C:So that's really good to hear and we will talk more about it I think today.
Speaker C:So how do you see then EIG playing an active role in supporting geoscientists and engineers who are the members who want to apply their skills in this kind of energy transition, this, these important decades that we're going into?
Speaker A:Yeah, I think the ag, so they really work hard in that regard.
Speaker A:So they have developed a few dedicated courses, seminars, workshops, well specifically covering the kind of these new directions.
Speaker A:So whether it would be ccs, offshore wind, geothermal or hydrogen.
Speaker A:So and that's kind of one thing.
Speaker A:So the second thing, so there is.
Speaker A:There is a big conference already in place and it's an annual thing so that takes place every year.
Speaker A:So and it's called the GET Conference Global Energy Transition.
Speaker A:And again I had a pleasure of attending the latest session so which was held in Rotterdam so in November this year.
Speaker A:And I was really impressed so how the whole conference was just devoted to this new energy, so into the energy transition.
Speaker A:And it really helped I think all the attendees to, to really expand their horizons so because they were four separate sessions but you could attend, you know, any of those ones during the day and it was of the same kind of scope as the annual conference, but it was only solely focusing on this big theme or the topic.
Speaker A:And yeah, I think on top of that, so there was also a list of workshops, seminars as well and field trips.
Speaker A:So again within the same idea, within the same topic.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And yeah that's basically another way how EEG is trying to communicate to the members what kind of activities are available.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And yeah it was one of them for sure.
Speaker C:Can you see the same interest from, from the companies related to that conference like versus the, the EAG annual, the big one.
Speaker C:Are mostly all the companies present or is it pure.
Speaker A:Very nice question because I thought about that myself when I was there and that's exactly the kind of the thing I had in mind.
Speaker A:So yes, it was a slightly different kind of setup.
Speaker A:I would say so.
Speaker A:Well one could imagine that the scale of the conference would be a bit smaller than the annual conference.
Speaker A:But the striking thing was that the exhibition area was I would say totally different to the sort of the regular conference organized by eeg.
Speaker A:So it was more smaller kind of service companies, so probably mostly local.
Speaker A:So as the conference was based in the Netherlands, so most of the companies were from the Netherlands.
Speaker A:No major oil and gas companies, world world kind of level sort of companies were present there.
Speaker A:So it was a few sort of meat mid size Netherlands companies who were there and as I said some service companies and software providers and that was it.
Speaker A:So I would say it was a little bit kind of homogeneous so to say it wasn't very diverse and as you said in your question, so the major or super majors, you know, oil and gas companies, the classical oil and gas companies, they were not present there.
Speaker A:And the same I would say applies to the people who attended the conference.
Speaker A:So yes, there were a few people from companies like Shell, BP, et cetera, but I wouldn't say they were the majority.
Speaker A:So yeah, that was my take from the conference.
Speaker C:That would be something to aim for, wouldn't it to like get it similar to the big conference when it comes to the presence of the big.
Speaker A:Because yeah, as, as you, I mean as you saw it yourself, I mean the kind of the key areas on the floor and the exhibition area.
Speaker A:So during the annual conference they were taken by the really big companies like Saudi Aramco, you know, Equino.
Speaker A:Yeah, Shell, etc.
Speaker A:So total energy.
Speaker A:But this time around, yeah, so I was quite impressed with the, you know, the down kind of scale with the, with the company's presence.
Speaker A:So I'm sure in terms of the, the budget.
Speaker A:So obviously it was a little bit less and I guess, yeah, but also it could be the other thing.
Speaker A:So it was exactly the same week as it was the ADIPEC conference in Abu Dhabi taking place.
Speaker A:So it could be a little bit of a sort of competition between the two conferences.
Speaker A:I don't know if it was kind of done on purpose or it was just a pure coincidence.
Speaker A:So it was exactly the same three, four days that the conference in Abu Dhabi was taking place and that was a major big conference and obviously most of the oil and gas companies and some of the well professionals, individuals, sales managers.
Speaker A:So they were, I would say mainly in the, in the United Arab Emirates.
Speaker C:So at the time better planning then next time.
Speaker C:Yeah, when it comes to that.
Speaker A:So that could be one of the reasons as well.
Speaker A:I would say yes.
Speaker C:How do you think that EIG will be able to kind of bridge the gap between traditional oil and gas expertise and the skills required in renewable energy projects?
Speaker C:So you have mentioned already that you have courses, workshops, but do you see any other initiatives or ways that EAG can help do this?
Speaker A:I think the ones that you have mentioned, these are probably the.
Speaker A:Still the key directions the EEG are going for because I think it's well, it's an organization that well, kind of can offer courses, you know, seminars and conferences for different interest groups and within the ag.
Speaker A:So I think I forgot to mention.
Speaker A:So there is already for quite a number of years.
Speaker A:So there is a special group or a committee so focusing on the global energy transition, you know, the offshore wind and CCS, etc.
Speaker A:There is a separate kind of department within the organization that is working on organizing separate sessions for that.
Speaker A:But I think beyond that.
Speaker A:So it's either I'm not aware of the activities myself or I think it's still kind of in the pipeline and it's still being developed.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But I guess if people would be interested to learn about that a little bit more so they can obviously go onto the website of the EEG or check their website on LinkedIn, etc.
Speaker A:So I think these are possible ways of checking what's available.
Speaker A:But I think from the top of my mind that's, yeah, that's, that's the key ways of communicating to the public.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Because that is something that I see as maybe big potential for an organization like this is to.
Speaker C:Because when, when like going to Oslo, this huge conference a little bit outside Oslo, but still it's huge.
Speaker C:I can't remember how many people was there, but there were thousands.
Speaker A:I think they said it's about.
Speaker A:From up to even 10,000.
Speaker A:So they had a number.
Speaker A:So whether it's true or not, I don't know.
Speaker A:But they said yeah, it's around 10,000.
Speaker C:So it's a big thing happening in the capital.
Speaker C:But most people, most people outside the industry don't know about it.
Speaker C:And I think it's because of course it's, it's like ticket to come in there.
Speaker C:It's not open to the general public.
Speaker C:So would it be possible to find ways to communicate more out to people in the street?
Speaker C:Because the way that people get information and news about what is happening in oil and gas, oil and gas energy, is still the headlines in the newspapers.
Speaker C:What you see on debates on tv, et cetera, it's very filled with arguments against or for, you know, so it's very.
Speaker C:It's hard to really understand what is happening on the inside.
Speaker C:So do you see ways that it could be kind of a little bit more transparent to the general public?
Speaker C:What do you see could be done that in that respect?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's another interesting question.
Speaker A:And I think it's definitely something that we need to think about a little bit more.
Speaker A:And I think the ag, they have already started this process and it's been done for quite a while.
Speaker A:And so the.
Speaker A: d so in rotterdam, so the get: Speaker A:So I have attended myself the debate session.
Speaker A:So which was there.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And there was.
Speaker A:They always tried to put a panel, you know, quite a diverse, you know, from various perspectives, you know, whether it's the gender diversity, whether it's the representations, because they always try to put the people representing, you know, the.
Speaker A:Either the oil and gas company, so the service provider, so then they have the IT sort of company, whether it's Microsoft or something else or also there was at least at that session a lady representing the European Union Commission, you know, and so she was definitely kind of advocating for the public sort of thoughts and interests.
Speaker A:And I think it was a nice and insightful session where it's exactly the topic was really devoted to that how we bridge these gaps or how we make this industry more transparent to the general public so that there are more answers than questions.
Speaker A:And I think so this work is being done so because as I said so.
Speaker A:Yes, although not everyone can attend the conference, you know, freely because, well, so you have to be either a member or you need to get a ticket for that.
Speaker A:So what I think by introducing it more to the public, by inviting people from outside the industry.
Speaker A:And I think I have seen that trend quite clearly established now.
Speaker A:So that really kind of puts the roots, you know, straight into the other areas of our society.
Speaker A:And I think it works well because it was a really nice sort of heated debate where people had shared different thoughts and ideas how we can really communicate.
Speaker A:So that as a geoscientist, as an engineer, we're normally quite good in explaining things and really putting the word forward.
Speaker A:And I think it was just about finding the right ways or tools, how we can do that.
Speaker A:I think it's gone quite a long way, I think from where we were, I think even five, 10 years ago.
Speaker A:So when I have myself attended these conferences and sessions and now that's definitely more diverse from different perspectives and with more people attending from outside of the industry.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So on that note, actually, how do you view the importance of the collaboration between sectors?
Speaker C:So that could be like oil and gas, renewables energy, renewable energy, academia and technology development in general in driving the transition forward?
Speaker C:Because it is, as I said, it's often, it often gets like these bubbles, you know, people working in silos.
Speaker C:So how could this collaboration be done better?
Speaker A:Yeah, I agree with you, it's very important.
Speaker A:And again, I think there is still quite a long way to go.
Speaker A:But the work has been started and as we all know now, so pretty much there is no oil and gas company anymore now.
Speaker A:So it's an energy company.
Speaker A:So I mean if we talk about any company that, you know, comes into mind, so whether it's in Norway, uk, you know, the us, et cetera, or Europe.
Speaker A:So everyone has kind of changed their names, you know, they rebranding themselves.
Speaker A:So there is no oil and gas name anymore.
Speaker A:So it's, it's energy company.
Speaker A:And that's why it kind of provides better sort of clarity I think for the world, for the public.
Speaker A:But it also gives a nice impulse, I think for the, for the inside sort of work within the company.
Speaker A:So because I think, well, it's, there is no, there is no barrier between sort of the department.
Speaker A:So in terms of the, you know, classical oil and gas projects or you would be working only on the CCS or something even if you look at the job postings on LinkedIn or some websites.
Speaker A:So any kind of job you will see now on the arm, on the market, whether it's the, you know, reservoir engineer, geophysicist or geologist, it all kind of, they all involve skills and experiences or at least aspirations to kind of, to really dig deep into the renewable.
Speaker A:So that's, that's what we see more and more often.
Speaker A:So, and I think that's becoming kind of a normal day life for us so that there is no kind of separation between sort of the geoscientist who works on the, on the, as I said, oil, oil, oil fields or someone who is developing the CCS project.
Speaker A:So you can be asked one day to do these things on another day.
Speaker A:So you could be working on a project that is not related to the old sort of Classical fields.
Speaker A:And I think that's the, that's, that's the industry now we are facing and that's already the reality.
Speaker A:That's, that's something we have now.
Speaker C:Do you think that.
Speaker C:I don't know if you have any knowledge about this, but academia and the universities like the studies in geoscience engineering, are they also like preparing the students for all the different variations of energy?
Speaker A:Absolutely, yes.
Speaker A:And again, so just talking to people, you know, and attending various events, you know, whether it's in Norway or outside of Norway, definitely.
Speaker A:I mean, so there is no other kind of way really.
Speaker A:So it's always the, you know, the competition.
Speaker A:So if you want to stay sort of on the market.
Speaker A:So whether it's.
Speaker A:You are in the academia, so if you are teaching courses for MSCs or the undergrads, or whether it's a PhD or even if you work for a software provider for a software company.
Speaker A:So they really need to be up to date and really develop the technology or at least the ideas.
Speaker A:If we're talking about the academia, the research, so to stay with the flow.
Speaker A:So I think there is no other way really to go ahead.
Speaker A:So everyone has to be up to date and everyone has to have the skills and the knowledge to go with the flow.
Speaker A:And I see it well everywhere.
Speaker A:So when I talk to the people from academia in the UK as well, where I have studied, so also here at the University of Oslo, so.
Speaker A:And again, so the same applies to the courses.
Speaker A:So like we mentioned that the companies have changed their names, so the same applies to the courses.
Speaker A:So now it's, it doesn't, you know, the course is not called the petroleum geoscience or petroleum engineering.
Speaker A:Now it's called the energy geoscience or the, or something like that.
Speaker A:So it's, it's all being evolved and it's all changing.
Speaker A:And the same with the software providers.
Speaker A:So we see, I will not say particular names, but all the software providers.
Speaker A:So whether it's a smaller ones or the bigger ones, so they all develop tool sets and new technology.
Speaker A:So whether it's based on the EI, the Python scripts, etc.
Speaker A:So which are able to be used for the renewables.
Speaker A:And so they have created separate workflows and new ideas for these implementation.
Speaker A:So that's definitely already in place and being used in the industry for at least for a number of years.
Speaker C:So I'm curious about your personal motivations now going into this.
Speaker C:And it's very interesting to talk to different people because some can go into or look ahead at the next decades with a lot of enthusiasm and optimism and this is very exciting times.
Speaker C:While others can be more pessimistic.
Speaker C:Of course there is a balance.
Speaker C:But how do you see that and your.
Speaker C:Your work as a president of the EAG Oslo chapter and, and your professional career, how do you see that?
Speaker C:How do you look at the next decades personally?
Speaker A:Yeah, I think from the personal perspective as a professional.
Speaker A:So I see it really taking more and more so of our.
Speaker A:Well, of our time.
Speaker A:So and obviously that's a heat kind of the.
Speaker A:The hot topic, so to say so and it's definitely something we, we as professionals need to be really up to speed and really to develop our skill set.
Speaker A:And I, I see it personally as well so that I still have probably gaps so in certain areas so which I really need to learn and really need to fill so with the knowledge by attending various courses and seminars.
Speaker A:So that would definitely give me some kind of the cutting edge.
Speaker A:So moving forward and as the industry, because it's, it's.
Speaker A:It's been around for, for a number of years but it hasn't been enough.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And you know, talking about the industry as a whole, of course it will play a major role so.
Speaker A:But it needs some time.
Speaker A:So we all talk about the percentages of various energy sources and the share of it.
Speaker A:So we still see that oil, gas, coal, etc, all the kind of the classical and old resources, so they still take the majority of the whole spread.
Speaker A:So I think it accounts well, it depends on the country, but it accounts for 70% of the whole share.
Speaker A:So and for living for renewables just over 20, 30% so that's not enough.
Speaker A:But it takes time.
Speaker A:So we can't jump straight away into something we want to achieve and everyone has to understand so whether you work in the industry, whether you are a politician, so whether you're coming from the sort of general public.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it takes some time and so everything will come at the time when it will be ready.
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker A:And talking about the EEG and my involvement so in the local chapter.
Speaker A:So we, we try to well to organize more and more events related to that and one of the most recent that we had here in, in Oslo, it was exactly focusing on that so how we could use this, how we can make these skills transferable from the oil and gas to the energy.
Speaker A:And we had a pleasure of hosting two good speakers from.
Speaker A:From the industry, one from the tgs.
Speaker A:So the company that actually helped us to organize that and we had a venue so with them.
Speaker A:So at tgs and also another speaker was from the ngi.
Speaker A:So I think it actually gave a nice overview how we could use these skills, you know, whether it's the seismic domain data, so how we could apply that for the better resolution.
Speaker A:So in the really kind of low, well, not so kind of deep subsurface, you know, with a very high resolution and also how we could apply that to the wind farms as well.
Speaker A:So that's, that's the way how we can really tackle that.
Speaker A:And last year we had an event also focusing on that, but also looking at, at the topic from a different angle, how we could use machine learning and the AI developments to speed up the process.
Speaker A:I think these are the kind of the two topics we are really talking about in the last, well, I would say three, four, five years.
Speaker A:And that's the way forward, at least for us as the local chapter.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker C:So personally, you're also in between jobs at the moment because your previous employer closed the Oslo office.
Speaker C:So I'm curious about how you think your own career journey will evolve.
Speaker C:So given your experience as a geoscientist, what direction are you most excited to explore next?
Speaker C:And, or, or maybe ask in a different way.
Speaker C:Which direction do you see, do you think is most likely that you will end up in going forward in your career?
Speaker A:Well, it's of course a bit difficult to say exactly which way it will go, but my objectives would be so to definitely be involved in something that is really a hot topic today because I really like to really push myself to the limits and learn new things, to develop something new.
Speaker A:And so as we have discussed, so most of the jobs of the market, so they really cover this whole spread from the classical oil and gas, you know, fields or the prospects all the way to the renewables.
Speaker A:So there is no single job on the market that only requires one skill set.
Speaker A:So I think a truly professional so needs to be really up to date with the industry and with the current trends and with the development.
Speaker A:So and that's where I would like to go myself.
Speaker A:So whether it was be.
Speaker A:Whether it would be sort of more focusing on the.
Speaker A:Well, something that I have done in the past, or whether it will be the operations, you know, whether it will be the business development, new ventures or it will be something totally new, CCS projects or the, you know, kind of ground modeling work or the, you know, for the wind farms, or whether it would be hydrogen or something different.
Speaker A:So I think, so the.
Speaker A:I think also what we have learned so over the years so that the things are changing so quickly.
Speaker A:So not on the industry, but in the whole world.
Speaker A:So you can't really stick to something for long enough.
Speaker A:So you really need to be flexible and agile and to really to adapt.
Speaker A:So and I think that's important for everyone as a professional, as an individual, if you, if you kind of stick to something that, and you are not able to adapt.
Speaker A:So I think it will be difficult to go forward and really succeed, you know, in your career.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker C:And that's not only in oil and gas or energy, it's, it's for everyone, as you say.
Speaker C:And, and I don't know if you heard that, but I had one of the guests on the EHDE special episode, she said my favorite quote was geoscientists are crucial for the future of humanity.
Speaker C:And I think, I think she's right in so many ways because there's so many applications where we need not only geoscientists but engineers with this experience.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And there are people who are changing the industries.
Speaker A:You know, I know a lot of people, you know, my kind of friends or ex colleagues or someone I started with.
Speaker A:So they already, over the last 10, 15 years they have changed, you know, certain departments or certain industries and they came back or they went a wave and well, as you said, I mean, I know a lot of geoscientists or engineers who work for, you know, investment banks as well.
Speaker A:So, you know, trying to de.
Speaker A:Risk certain things, you know, analysts, so many ways you can apply your skills.
Speaker A:And it's exactly not only about the renewables.
Speaker A:It's, it could be anything really.
Speaker A:It could be even the, you know, to the back vessel as well.
Speaker A:So the, for example, so you know, something designing the roads, you know, the tunnels and the.
Speaker A:Something that is not related to the subsurface.
Speaker A:It could be surface, you know.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:And yeah, most of the skills are transferable so it's, it's really so you would be amazed how, you know, we don't even know what we can do.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So and how we can apply, you know, our knowledge and skills and experience.
Speaker A:And it's nice.
Speaker A:So it gives us a nice sort of world to explore.
Speaker A:And so if you.
Speaker A:Something that is seems boring for you, so you can always divert and you know, explore something new or at least it gives you a nice chance for your career opportunity and your personal development.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:Very, very exciting times.
Speaker C:And yeah, I think, I think younger people should go into geoscience.
Speaker C:It's a very exciting background to have and a great basis.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:Yes, totally agree with you and I think so it's been at least what I've heard for at least even on the streets or something, someone, you know, talking in the cafe or in the restaurants, you know, people were really scared, you know, what's going on in this room now.
Speaker A:I don't know if it's my just perception or at least I wasn't exposed to anything different.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But I don't hear that so much anymore.
Speaker A:So I don't know, I think things calm down a little bit.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So from the general, at least public, so I think people are a little bit more understandable.
Speaker A:So I think it's also the.
Speaker A:Yeah, you can say that social media, so they play kind of various roles.
Speaker A:It can be, it can have a positive impact or negative impact.
Speaker A:But I think the tools and the media that the industry is now using, I think more and more so in the last few years, I think it really helps to show what it's all about, you know, how clean and nice it has become over the last years.
Speaker A:And I think people do understand.
Speaker A:I mean, no one is kind of trying to make a myth out of nowhere, right?
Speaker A:So if you provide some data, so if you give information so via whether it's the, you know, Instagram, LinkedIn, you know, Facebook or whatever.
Speaker A:And I think people read that, people see that and they do understand it better.
Speaker A:And there is no this misperception or some kind of wrong idea that, you know, everything that is coming from the oil and gas industry, that's black and dirty and everything.
Speaker A:No, I think it's, it's definitely changed even, you know, from the time when I came in Norway, so six years ago.
Speaker A:And now I think it has, it has changed and I see sort of a more positive trend of that.
Speaker A:So that's at least my, my feeling of it.
Speaker C:So we have to wrap up.
Speaker C:Thank you so much for your time and everything you shared about the EAG and, and everything else really interesting.
Speaker C:And I really hope to get back and visit more conferences with the eag because that was really, it was so good to be back.
Speaker C:I have so many good memories about that.
Speaker C:So, yeah, hope to get back.
Speaker C:I will add all the links to the EIG site and everything in the show notes so that people can find it.
Speaker C:And if people want to get in touch with you, what is the easiest way?
Speaker C:Is it LinkedIn?
Speaker A:Yeah, I would say these are probably the best ways.
Speaker A:Yeah, LinkedIn, my email and also to.
Speaker C:Discover what EIG Oslo is doing and the events that you're having.
Speaker A:Yeah, you can also share our, our, our web page.
Speaker A:On LinkedIn.
Speaker A:So we have our separate.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Page on that.
Speaker A:So where we advertise our events and then so people can join.
Speaker A:Well, our sort of chapter, I think we have now over 130 people.
Speaker A:So in our sort of organization.
Speaker A:So locally.
Speaker A:So and I think, I think if, if we can expand it even more so that would be great.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker C:Best of luck on your own journey, both in your geoscience work and with eig.
Speaker C:And thanks again for your time.
Speaker A:Thank you very much for the invitation and thanks for the nice talk and so hope to see you and talk to you again.
Speaker A:All the best.
Speaker B:And that's a wrap.
Speaker B:I'm sure that EIG will come up again in future episodes and I hope this conversation has sparked your curiosity about their work.
Speaker B:There is always a chance that you might find that the reality is less black and white than it first appears.
Speaker B:As always, you'll find all links and additional information in the show notes.
Speaker B:You can also Visit my website, storiesforthefuture.com to discover what else I'm working on these days.
Speaker C:Thanks for listening.
Speaker B:Take care and I will be back soon.
